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		<title>By: Who Put These People In Charge, Anyway? &#124; db.rambleschmack.net</title>
		<link>http://db.rambleschmack.net/blog/2005/11/06/exit-mundi/comment-page-1/#comment-3181</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Put These People In Charge, Anyway? &#124; db.rambleschmack.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s important to express yourself as a nation. So, when a new mall opens, it is only appropriate that Auckland shoppers cause motorway chaos. Regular readers may remember last year&#8217;s iBook stampede (much more impressive, as us Kiwis don&#8217;t do consumerism nearly as well as the US or UK). On this occasion, the Auckland motorway network was gridlocked because there were Bargains. I saw the coverage on the news, shots of people just carrying boxed TVs around. It was like watching ants, or as the commentator called it, &#8220;sheeple.&#8221; And it was horrible. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s important to express yourself as a nation. So, when a new mall opens, it is only appropriate that Auckland shoppers cause motorway chaos. Regular readers may remember last year&#8217;s iBook stampede (much more impressive, as us Kiwis don&#8217;t do consumerism nearly as well as the US or UK). On this occasion, the Auckland motorway network was gridlocked because there were Bargains. I saw the coverage on the news, shots of people just carrying boxed TVs around. It was like watching ants, or as the commentator called it, &#8220;sheeple.&#8221; And it was horrible. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Santadog</title>
		<link>http://db.rambleschmack.net/blog/2005/11/06/exit-mundi/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Santadog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>afteridied!  I forgot about him.  I still occasionally check up on our favorite white bread, durman.  He&#039;s so cheerfully bland, he could&#039;ve been in The Breakfast Club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>afteridied!  I forgot about him.  I still occasionally check up on our favorite white bread, durman.  He&#8217;s so cheerfully bland, he could&#8217;ve been in The Breakfast Club.</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I read that too, and was heavily deflated, so I decided to pretend I hadn&#039;t because it would have &lt;em&gt;ruined&lt;/em&gt; that paragraph of my post. I fear that, in particular, our old LJ friend afteridied will be more depressed than usual to hear the end is not nigh. Does he still post? It got deathly boring after a while, I tell you what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I read that too, and was heavily deflated, so I decided to pretend I hadn&#8217;t because it would have <em>ruined</em> that paragraph of my post. I fear that, in particular, our old LJ friend afteridied will be more depressed than usual to hear the end is not nigh. Does he still post? It got deathly boring after a while, I tell you what.</p>
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		<title>By: Santadog</title>
		<link>http://db.rambleschmack.net/blog/2005/11/06/exit-mundi/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Santadog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But does the long count end in 2012?  From the wikipedia article:

&quot;The last creation ended on a long count of 13.0.0.0.0. Another 13.0.0.0.0 will occur on December 21, 2012, and it has been discussed in many New Age articles and books that this will be the end of this creation or something else entirely. However, the Maya abbreviated their long counts to just the last five vigesimal places. There were an infinitely larger number of units that were usually not shown. When the larger units were shown (notably on a monument from Coba), it is expressed as 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0, where the larger units are evidently supposed to be 13s in all larger places. In this age we are only approaching 0.0.0.0.0.0.13.0.0.0.0, and the larger places are nowhere near the 13s that would match the end of the last creation.

This is confirmed by a date from Palenque, which projects forward in time to 1.0.0.0.0.0, which will occur on October 13, 4772. The Classic Period Maya obviously did not believe that the end of this age would occur in 2012. There will be a Baktun ending in 2012, a significant event being the end of a 400 year period, but not the end of the age.&quot;

And I was so looking forward to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But does the long count end in 2012?  From the wikipedia article:</p>
<p>&#8220;The last creation ended on a long count of 13.0.0.0.0. Another 13.0.0.0.0 will occur on December 21, 2012, and it has been discussed in many New Age articles and books that this will be the end of this creation or something else entirely. However, the Maya abbreviated their long counts to just the last five vigesimal places. There were an infinitely larger number of units that were usually not shown. When the larger units were shown (notably on a monument from Coba), it is expressed as 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0, where the larger units are evidently supposed to be 13s in all larger places. In this age we are only approaching 0.0.0.0.0.0.13.0.0.0.0, and the larger places are nowhere near the 13s that would match the end of the last creation.</p>
<p>This is confirmed by a date from Palenque, which projects forward in time to 1.0.0.0.0.0, which will occur on October 13, 4772. The Classic Period Maya obviously did not believe that the end of this age would occur in 2012. There will be a Baktun ending in 2012, a significant event being the end of a 400 year period, but not the end of the age.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I was so looking forward to it!</p>
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